I'm gonna be in a deficit and I wanna get cut up. DHB is a lot faster in the way it’s going to act, but maybe not as protein sparing as Primobolan. less dose longer if given the choice. ... More so I would compare DHB to Primo. Wanna hear your thoughts on these two points, mate: – forget sides. DHB is stronger than Primobolan because it is pure DHB. need an inhaler while doing cardio. I’m new to primobolan. Also, I’m pretty prone to water retention from the test, I’ve always used at a low dose of 500 without an AI.. Now i want to try aromasin just for the sake of seeing it’s effect on water retention, and see how exactly my body will react too the lowered estrogen level.. Will 12.5mg eod suffice for that? I have read only Nolva binds to estrogen while proviron lowers the estrogen and an AI destroys it. ) there is a definite risk of acne, oily skin and increased hair loss, the Personally I can’t face the feeling of coming off test again and wanting to hang myself during pct, lol. goes. It’s like you work like a mule to gain some size and then get I’m hoping it’s gonna make this 50 year old lean and hard as for the lake this summer. (I will have to preload a syringe like you suggested since they come in amps) Or might as well just bump the test up to 500 and keep things as is? I don’t think I could not maintain that for a long period of time. my deca isn’t scripted, but for the record when I add it in I usually go 200-300mg/wk, OCCASIONALLY 400/WK but that’s usually not necessary. Because I heard from some people that primo still causes little / low water retention eventhough it doesn’t aromatize.. What’s your thought about this, John? I should mention that I have a stockpile of Primo and Deca on hand. Not using gh yet as my levels are still good. You’d be better using a small amount of test. Makes a whole lot of difference to your Thanks JD, yes, 200mg/wk of deca is an awesome addition to primo because it’s great for nitrogen retention in the muscles, joints, and strength, and at 200mg/wk you shouldn’t notice any bloating from deca if your diet is mostly clean. Anything else Hcg? He was in fact nicknamed “The chemist” so i’m sure he was using things well ahead of his time. If you're someone who is dead set on trying to run a cycle then I'd strongly suggest one of the above, you get what you pay for. Week 7 update. you’d be dry and shredded. You need to understand the amount of oil to mg/ml are 2 totally different things, once you understand mg/ml it’s easy. doesn’t build muscle. Just enough to do the job, 200mg per week. I’m on 250 test year round and do occasional cycle. I just order your book, good stuff my friend. yes, if your prone to hairloss then primo can do it, just like masteron will. For me the sweet spot is 700/wk, 300/wk is minimum to use it in my book. ): Goal (slow lean mass gain / while cutting down some fat , definition 3d look ) *know eating plan ,training and rest main factors to results, 1)Test prop week 1-10 300mg a week Masterone prop week 1 -10 300mg a week Npp week 1-8 300mg a week, 2)Test prop week 1-10 300mg a week Masterone prop week 1 -10 300mg a week Primo week 1-10 500mg a week, 3) )Test prop week 1-10 300mg a week Npp week 1 -8 300mg a week Primo week 1-10 500mg a week, I would do combination #3 myself, and here is why; The increased nitrogen retention and joint lubricating properties of the NPP with less water retention that regular Deca. Does primo cause hair loss like masteron? Schwarzenegger’s steroid stack. I’ve found some 300mg test cyp. Man I have no idea. around with your mood a little, or a lot. Spring Classic Sale | Up to 20-70% Off | Find great deals on high-performance road bike & mountain cycling components, clothing, accessories & more If it were 200mg/ml it would be a quarter of 1cc on the syringe. I think 750mg/wk of EQ is good for a 2 wk frontload but too high to run the entire cycle. I would love your thoughts on it. Once every 7 days is good at that dosage. Anything I can do to lower pip or should I just deal with it like I been doing? Your red blood cell count shouldn’t be an issue on a 400mg/wk 12 wk cycle, they may go up a tad by mid cycle but nothing that should throw up a flag unless you already have really high RBC’s before you begin. Second time I. What I’d do is hit the primo higher and just use 100mg/wk of test alongside it, but don’t leave test out. May 14, 2014. by George Spellwin. Busy life and family got the best of me and i completely stopped working out. I don’t want to get bigger than I am. Primo makes it a lot easier to perform light to But some people find that it’s quite the from turkey Bayer. Particularly when they are running stacks with 19-Nors which tend to play I have read all of your articles and I mostly agree with you.. Out of the 4 cycles above, which one do you recommend being the best? My source is pretty cheap, but even a primo cycle purchased through them would cost in the thousands range. Luckily I have realised this is fucking retarded and not needed. The question is, does the high cost of the It’s not a night and day difference, it just gives that polished off, rock hard look, but it doesn’t prevail over NPP in terms of being strong and just walking around looking yoked at a good 6-8% bodyfat. Im 6ft 215lbs with an athletic build. What are your feelings on a cycle including Test E, EQ,Primo,Anavar, and Proviron. enhancement alone is enough reason for a lot of steroid users to run it. and home brew. And if you run a drying compound like Masteron, 200 Test Prop (weekly) 500 Primo (weekly) 500 EQ (weekly) 50 Anavar (daily). Right now I’m 190 5’9” and under 8% bf. lab to order liquid arimadex or exemastain from? And if it could be used as an alternative? are genetically predisposed to it. It is wise to inject every 4-6 days, and once you stop using DHB, it will take about 4-5 weeks to completely clear your system. Would you consider this 250mg since the concentration should be exact – 100mg/mL or do they only put 100mg in each ampule? i am 52 and used to lift till not professionally until 20 years ago. The gains start to diminish after the 600/wk mark and you don’t get the same return. And at 400mg will Eq be safe on the red blood count, high blood pressure (have read in your other replies , and how was this dosage on hunger , for me I will just eat more veg and protein to combat this possible affect and play around with my carb pre and post workout ). (can provirion help with this , I know people use Prammi but wanted to know if 300mg is enough to cause an issue with prolactin ?) Would you need ARIMIDEX For the test primo cycle? what would be the recommended min dose of primo for such cycle and for how long? I won’t share or sell your email address to anyone, ever. As you see I am not a fan of high dose testosterone, test should be used just enough to stay anabolic and reap the rewards but not overkill driving your cholesterol levels and blood pressure through the roof. Worth the risk? Thanks for any feedback! The biggest reason for going higher on protein is during a diet when it’s more used as a “filler” since carbs and fats are taken lower. it’s bullshit, it’s never been proven your body uses more than .8 grams/lb of bodymass in protein plus it’s harder on your kidneys. Should I use the faster Npp version of deca ? This is one of the worst cycles for your liver, with both of these steroids being orals (and thus c 17 alkylated compounds). Go for it man. Personally, #3 would be my choice. Primobolan’s claim to fame is that it was ‘supposedly’ a staple in Arnold’s My man, I dont have to tell you anything, you nailed it!!! Frank was pretty knowledgable from everything I’ve read on him, but when it came to the most cutting edge performance enhancers and knowledge Serge Nubret was the Wizard, hi John, I have a lot of Primobolan I want take for long time 6 to a 1 year at dose 200 mg a week and little test e 250 a week , and I 47 y old , is this good amount of primo I am not looking fast results and what for this kind of cycle what you recommend pct will be , thanks so much, Yes, long term primo usage at 200mg/wk is a great way to use it. I cant for the life of me agree to any aesthetic cycle for the summer. I’d rather just see someone do test/eq or test/primo , maybe throw in the anavar or something. I’m very lean at 7% body fat, but I’m also short so I only weigh 145lbs. As for strength compared to Masteron, sort of similar in my opinion. You feel confident, positive and your decision making ability is enhanced greatly. Is Prolactin from the Npp and issue at 300mg a week? As you can see moderate test and dhb dose. I do orals like winstrol, anavar, proviron, clen etc until show day.. Do you think primo could be run until closer or up to competition day? However, DHB is also found in propionate and other ester forms as well. Best of luck, Really like your insight!! (how many 2 on / 4 off would i need the least)? The detractors though find it to be a waste of What u think? I’m looking for a coach. Else no one would buy primo..... Last edited: Aug 16, 2018 #14. Isn’t that a little over kill? I’m not sure how much my HPTA will be suppressed by Primo and Var. There is a minimal amount of drying that adds to the aesthetics. As for your top 4 primo cycles. The last but by no means least popular cycle is the standalone cycles. I was hoping you could lead me in the right direction. A lot of the old timers knew they needed protein to grow but they never counted it and it wasn’t nearly as high as taken today, nor did those guys eat as much. I’ve read more about it as oral Primo but have also seen it in injectable form, which i’d prefer due to higher bioavailability. I would not recommend it to someone who is not relatively low body fat, but for an already good physique primo is the icing on the cake! The contents of this website, such as text, graphics, images and other material are intended for informational and educational purposes only and not for the purpose of rendering medical advice. Think a cycle of Deca. Primobolan is one of them. I want to start a 12 cycle of test E, Primo, and Anavar, but I’m still not sure of the dosages I should use as well as what pct I should use after and if I should use Nolvadex during the cycle to prevent side effects. I’m trying to avoid side effects. And even in high doses, it doesn’t trash your lipids like other orals or SARMS. With show prep, the more primo the better. I cant for the life of me agree to any aesthetic cycle for the summer. At approximately $100 for a vial of Primobolan For optimal results, use either Clomid or Nolvadex, as PCT after your Primobolan cycle. Now, you just have to understand how it works; it’s a recomp drug not a mass gainer. But that’s just my opinion. Cycle #4 – 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks So it’s not liver toxic either. also, just an after thought should I through some deca in there too (like 200mgs per week) since I have it. This cycle is designed for male users who wish to perform a mild cutting stack whilst using oral primobolan, and female users who wish to perform a fairly powerful cutting cycle. Or so the legend Should I wait until week 3 to start the Proviron so it doesn’t dry me out too much. Love this article. I am also running 191AA HGH 40IU a day (20 in morning 20 in evening). Hcg 250iu x2 a week to keep the guys happy (week 1- 5 then 7-10 will a blast last week 10-14 day before pct), Pct Nolvadex a week 20/20/20/10/10 Clomid a week 150/100/50, *Hcg 250iu x2 a week to keep the guys happy (week 1- 5 then 7-10) last week will do a blast 1250 iu Eod 10-14 day before pct, *Pct Nolvadex a day 20/20/20/10/10 (for 5 weeks) Clomid a day 150/100/50 (for 3 weeks). Thanks for reading -JD. Yea, you could do that, they are similar in nature. Not that anyone’s seen Arnold use Primo. Thanks! It Meaning instead of just doing a 8-10 week cycle how many weeks on/off could I do through the year with Jan-sept really being my focus. If you are running Test, chances are that you I’ve never used the acetate version of primo myself, always gone with enanthate, so cannot really answer that. email me under “contact” Jim, and we can go further, If one wanted to run a good primo stack for the whole summer from may thru august 16 weeks total. DHB and Primo Sign in to follow this . Also get email updates each time I post a new, no-nonsense article. I’m looking to run them 12-16 weeks. Primobolan is one of them. 1ml 1/2″ pins are best, draw up with regular gauge needle and then backload your slin pins, painless and makes everyday injects a breeze. Can perimo help me with low test and not be exhausted??? Cycle #1 – 300mg/wk Primo, 300mg/wk Masteron, 200mg/wk Test for 10 weeks, Cycle #2 – 300mg/wk Primo, 100mg/day Proviron, 300mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks, Cycle #3 – 500mg/wk Primo, 200mg/wk Deca, 200 mg/wk Test for 10 weeks, Cycle #4 – 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. I’d say with about 95% certainty that you’ll have no issues at all and comparing nolva to an AI in this case is like comparing oil for your lawnmower to oil for your car. I am hearing that 200/week primo is wasting it. Just ordered some injectable primo ACE. Just my thoughts, Thanks Bro for your quick response and honesty…. Can you inject with the 1ml slin pins? So far I'm actually quite enjoying DHB. My doctor put me on clomed a pill a day. steroid justify its usage? Its only my second cycle but you could do it so many ways. What do you think about putting EQ & primo together since I’ve read they both shared same result? Hey John, Thank you for sharing your knowledge, I’m also all about slow quality gains. yes on the HCg, that is fine, I’m not familiar with Tudca, cant help you there, sorry. Most experienced steroid users would buy raws Tren A . Cycle #3 – 500mg/wk Primo, 200mg/wk Deca, 200 mg/wk Test for 10 weeks. A sudden drop in E2 levels might tank your Just ordered some injectable primo ACE. you could also load 1/2cc each in the insulin pin and go everyday with shots, it may cut down on pain if you’re only using 1/2 cc per compound per shot. Im on TRT now for 4 years with regular bloodwork and have been looking to add Deca and/or Primo to my anti aging regiment. But take it from a vet and someone who is a true experienced Primo user, it's the shiznit… period. Honestly, the lower you go with primo the tighter the diet needs to be in order to see good effects from it, I truly believe this. what do you think of this cycle 30mg/day Dianabol, 40mg Anavar, 500mg/wk primo, 300 mg/wk test prop. And is it just as strong or better at 300mg a week than mast? 300mg/wk is a good dose to run, most guys advocate higher amounts in the range of 500-1000mg/wk, but 300/wk will do you nice if you eat good and train hard! Bodybuilding Diet Tactics And Injury Recovery Tips. I am not likely to run this as I am not keen on dealing with any sides, it is more for my personal knowledge as I have read a few people speak really highly of that … Im 51, am similar to you and have been looking for a system, like yours, that I could do yearly. Out of those 4 cycles above, what one do you recommend being the best? So the results that you’d achieve with Primo Primobolan Depot Cycles for Lean Muscle Gains, Plus Primo Cycle Myths. It preserves lean muscle tissue way better than it builds it. medium intensity cardio even when you are running high doses of Trenbolone. Would I be able to pin all 200mg once a week, or do i need to break it up? Brother I think either one would be a kickass run and something I’d do myself. See Straight from the Underground ebook. Here’s my question: I’m 46 years old and have been lifting for over 30 years and cycled mostly Sustanon and Test Cyp for 12-16 weeks at a time very couple of years. If it yields the bad pip it will derail your cycle immediately. Im 51 and have been in the gym my entire adult life. But either way man, its a good run, and thanks for the kind words and support! Your erections are firmer as well. Test E – 250 mk/week x 10 weeks Primo – 300-400/week x 10 weeks Arimedex 1/2 mg eod x 10 weeks, HCG (2500 iu/wk) x 2 weeks Arimedex 2 mg ed x 2 weeks, 1: Can I mix the Test E 250 mg and Primo 200 mg in same injection?? That cycle right there will be fine but really you could bump the primo up to 400mg. But it does give you these same effects. and works as an E2 antagonist. I was thinking of a similar thing but with Eq over Primo (* As I am not 100% sure I can get real products of Primo). Any thoughts on running primo solo say front load 200mg then 100mg p/w for 12 weeks Or 200mg p/w for 8 weeks. It has a very weak androgenic rating. For 5 years have been doing TEst cyp Jan thru sept at .5 two times a week. Latest reviews; Superman74 Review for ANASTROZOLE. The author of this website, John Doe, is not a doctor. Primo has a high molecular weight, therefore its typically dosed at only 100mg/ml, so you have to inject it a little more frequently. keeps your muscles full. would i then need an AI for 200-300 prop per week? Should I stop primo 1 week or 2 weeks out? 8 to10 pounds. I have a 4 years old son.. I hear and read a lot that primo is weak and need to be run close to 1000mg which is insane amount to pin. Therefore if the primo is 100mg/ml then it’s half of 1cc on the syringe. Should I get HCG to run during the cycle? What would be your recommendation for a female cycle wise? I see nothing wrong with your plan, looks perfect to me!! The dose would have been split in infections per week. Female weighing 125 lb. thanks, In terms of size gains I’d say EQ/prop would be your better route (also in terms of affordability) but primo works better if you’re looking for that diamond hard look with less sides. With clomid. #1 300mg/wk primo, + 40g anavar for 10 weeks, #2 400mg/wk primo, + 40g anavar for 10 weeks, #3 400mg/wk primo, + 40g anavar + Enanthate 400 test for 10 weeks. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer comments JD…. you could go either route, NPP is excellent and its faster with less water retention, ALTHOUGH water retention on regular deca doesn’t get bad until you start doing over 400mg/wk and I prefer to stay 300mg a week or less, even 200/wk is good. I been doing TONS of reading on different compound and "lean bulking" Was wondering if anyone cycled DHB I red that for a smooth, lean bulking cycle dhb 100 / twice week test E 250 / week var 20 / day any suggestions? – the HCG during a primo cycle, without Test, could guarantee the libido while running? I’ll be running 300mg prop and 300mg tren a (first 4 weeks been running 100mg eod, quite frankly I don’t feel good on it hence dropping dose also had my test at 800mg) and adding in 50mg ed oral winny. Thanks again. I might have looked better on primo just from being leaner. Yes, you’ll need a PCT if using those. I could really use some advice mate. expect a serious recomp with a sound diet, running primo with just HCG is an old time favorite with minimal shutdown and a fast recovery. My girlfriend is starting a cycle of primo. I am on 250mg of test c/ week. yea it’ll be pricey any way you cut it. Thank you once again and I look forward for your reply! I am going to backload and pin daily, so I am trying to figure out my weekly totals. Not sure I’d use Dbol for the entire 12 wks, but I see nothing wrong with using it the first 6 wks as part of the cycle. When the shots go to daily injects, this is where backloading insulin pins comes in handy. WAIT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE YOU START PCT!! When you are pumped and full, you can’t really be dry. I have primo and tren A. I just sarted at 600 of primo and 300 of tren. Thanks for the reply John. I took 600 week test enanth, 400mg tren enanth, 500mg equipoise and 50 mg daily liquid oral winstrol last half of cycle last summer and this 50 year couldn’t keep the 25 year old girls off me, Lol!!!!! Hey man, I’m planning to run 300mg primo a week for 12 weeks with 150mg test cyp a week, and then add anavar 40mg a week 4 on week 8. LOVE PRIMO TEST CYCLE! extent. Yes, there are certain templates and guidelines that are similar, but HCG can be cycled so many different ways it’s impossible to give just a single, bottom line answer. I am 33 years old and I have been a competitive bodybuilder since 24 years old.. The oral version is not 17CAA. What do you think about the guys who say you have to eat 350-450 grams of protien while on a cycle. You can pin everyday painlessly. Please help me with a basic schedule to stick by on a yearly schedule. look at my post below. I’m just going to deal with it bc once I’m warmed up I honeslty don’t even feel the pain anymore. Looking for help. Thank you, I’d get at least 200/wk of test in there, tren with no test = misery. Try to get a 1/2″ insulin pin. but your gonna be doing alot of pinning also…. I ran 200 test/300 DHB six months ago because right around year ago it was pegged as a tren lite. Ie: Mon/Thurs at 150mg each, Any tips on fitting a gram per week of primo I. 700mg/wk is where it really bangs hard, So I’m realizing that 200mg,ml primobolon isnt gonna happen. Again, this is not comparable to th… Will you be able to generate any positive benefits What are your thoughts Please, thanks man! Better choices are fast acting test, masteron, anavar, primo, just of the top of my head. Test E 250mg week First 2 weeks by itself Add Primo 200 mg week for weeks 3 through 8 Add Primo 100mg (300mg total) + Test E 100mg (350mg total) Weeks 8 through 12. I got some EQ and primo. ... Or add a bit of mast to test cycle. Ive been doing light cycles here and there before vacations etc. A lot of negative reviews come from these guys who only deem something as useful if it throws a quick 20 lbs of water and shit weight on them, they strictly go by the scale. 250 test 300(ish) dhb and 500mg primo per week and 250-50mg provrion ed but will probs up dose a bit it as the cycle goes on 2 Blood and guts and stuey99 reacted to this Also in the year I do 10 weeks deca on and 10 weeks off followed by another 10 weeks on. But it removes the water-filled look to a great I am 54, training many years and very healthy bloods and 10-12 percent body fat. 400mg/wk of Primo 300mg/wk of Test e 60mg/ day of Anavar, *(Similar to your #4 recommendation above). I am curious as to how someone would manage their diet when adding Decca or NPP into a Primo cycle? Thats a Mild course to standard i would say. Nolvadex will bind to the receptors at the breast tissue and lower estrogen, but an AI will prevent the formation of estrogen to begin with. you are in a cut. DHB seemed stronger and better for gaining strength, while primo seemed better for cosmetic effects. There are a lot of mixed reviews on Primo, most from newbies or guys who don't realize the true benefits of Primo. Should be here tomorrow do you think 300mg is enough or would I be better to try 600mg? 2: 2 inctions a week Monday -Test E 250 mg and Primo 200 mg Thursday – Primo 200 mg. Hi John, Just reading Be the bull and wondered if you had experience with primo only cycles. HCG 750iu every other day for 8 days, 500iu every other day for 6 days and 250iu every other for 4 days. Not really, and if anything you’ll lose hair easier on primo than on test. I was wondering if you think I can just continue the trt (I imagine that it’s about equivalent to -200mg/week in test) -Primo 200mg for the first month and 250 for the second and 3rd month -Anavar 30mg daily for the last 5 weeks Or should I stop taking the Primo week 12, and then taper off the Anavar on week 13? I was going to slightly up my TRT dose on week 15 (2 weeks after cycle) for 3 weeks to help me keep my gains. Monday and Thursday. Thank you again for all the great info on your site and taking the time to answer our questions.. Much appreciated! Cycle #2 – 300mg/wk Primo, 100mg/day Proviron, 300mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. And if you opt for the oral version instead, the cost is on par with Anavar. It keeps my numbers real good and then I do 2-3 months of HCG and clomid. By Do_it_big, February 25 in Steroid and Testosterone information. I'd put those low dose cycles against almost anything for a guy looking to get shredded and hard, and they are not anything that is going to suppress someone for months on end either. I gained 10 pounds and have just stayed there, gaining muscle losing alot of fat. I’m Starting a cycle now (this is my current plan) of Test Prop 300mg/per week, Deca Nan 300mg per /week, Anavar 5o-60mgs a day. Here’s what you can expect from a Primobolan My current physique looks good with shirt on but i still have some belly fat and in general my body looks soft. Ive been prepping for 4 weeks and have made great changes. Boldenone is probably going to be my best bet, simply because of how affordable it is as compared to Primo. JD: Great article. For a guy on his first cycle, would u recommend cycle 1 or 2 here, or just the 1 vial cycle? What type of test would you use for cycle #3? Looking hard and of quality muscle is where primo really shines, I wouldn’t want to cover that up with a bunch of water retention. There are some anabolic steroids that couldgive SSRIs a run for their money. I usually stop test at 2 weeks out and run injectables like tren acetate & masteron until 3-4 days out.. I’m 200lbs at 6ft tall and eat 200-225grams a day now. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Thanks and if 20 weeks on works how many weeks off do you suggest before starting again? Something like the gentleman before me (JP) is doing. I look for lean, dry gains in the summer and will be replacing my primo cycle with DHB. give SSRIs a run for their money. Lower dosed test cycles will yield you a much better look, and you won't be fighting water retention either. Thank you for taking the time to put this blog up together, it is extremely informative in this day of broscience and trolled forums. I ran them back to back this year, DHB in the spring and primo in the summer. How To Get Your Passion For The Gym Back! I would like to set up a one on one consult with you please advise on how.
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